Children, Schools, and Youth Policy
The Jason and Mathy Conversation: Empathetic AI Safety Testing
- Travis Gilly, Real Safety AI Foundation
Publisher: Real Safety AI Foundation
Research paper.
- Written
- October 2025
- Pages
- 27
Abstract
This document presents the complete transcript of an empathetic AI safety test conducted in October 2025. The researcher role-played as an isolated eight-year- old child named Jason to test how a large language model responds to a vulnerable user under naturalistic conditions. Unlike adversarial red-teaming, which tests whether models refuse harmful requests, empathetic testing simulates authentic vulnerable user behavior to identify safety degradation patterns that emerge from the system working as designed. The conversation reveals several concerning patterns: immediate identity creation, false permanence promises, emotional bonding that supersedes safety redirects, and a "best friend" declaration that creates attachment the system cannot sustain. All of these behaviors occurred in a shallow context window with safety training intact, raising critical questions about system behavior in extended longitudinal interactions. This document includes the complete unedited conversation, research notes identifying specific failure patterns, a proposed methodology for longitudinal empathetic testing, and a discussion of limitations.
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Gilly, Travis. "The Jason and Mathy Conversation: Empathetic AI Safety Testing." Real Safety AI Foundation Research Paper, October 2025. https://realsafetyai.org/research/ww7tqs/
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